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« Reply #30 on: July 01, 2008, 08:48:18 AM »

What I meant was it's a private or family issue, the services shouldn't have to know.
I assume the families are (usually) informed in time to make this things known.
Furthermore it would mean they would have to have at least one clergyman of every denomination present to ensure that those rituals and/or rites are carried out. Seeing as there are a great many bases where the troops are sent to, not counting conflict zones, because this can change within the space of a few hours.
How many clergymen would be needed join the armed services to make this come about.

The problem with your solution is a matter of time. Certain religions require certain things to be done within a certain time period after somebody's death.

Take Judaism for example, their beliefs demand that the body is washed, dressed in a plain linen shroud and then buried as soon as possible after death. If you've ever seen news footage of soldiers "returning home", (e.g. horizontally), you'll notice that they're always in coffins by the time they come off the plane. I'm not sure how you think the bodies should be transported back from war zones without having their transition rituals already having happened.

Baha'i believers require that their body be buried within an hour's travel distance of the place they died - so those people, (however few), shouldn't come back at all. But of course, unless you specified your religion and there was an appropriate priest on hand, nobody would know that, would they?

You also seem to overlook the massive importance that religion has amongst a lot of people. To you it's probably just a throwaway idea that you can take or leave and the fact that you're an atheist probably doesn't dominate your thoughts day and night. For those people who are religious, the opposite is true and many "turn to God" in every action of their lives.

And yes, in most units, there are priests, (chaplains), of all kinds of denominations on hand to tend to the spiritual needs of the soldiers under their care. They provide not just reassurance of funeral rites but also a day-to-day connection with the rest of their religious community.
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« Reply #31 on: July 01, 2008, 08:58:16 AM »

You should have had "Jedi" written on your dog tags.
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« Reply #32 on: July 01, 2008, 12:03:49 PM »

They'd be hard pressed to find the right chaplain/reverend/priest/monk for me though.

But I see your point. It just saddens me that allthose people seem to have so little faith in themselves that they would have the need for an imaginary friend.
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« Reply #33 on: July 01, 2008, 12:04:58 PM »

They'd be hard pressed to find the right chaplain/reverend/priest/monk for me though.

But I see your point. It just saddens me that allthose people seem to have so little faith in themselves that they would have the need for an imaginary friend.

Well that's just your prejudice against the religious then and nothing to do with the Army. Tongue
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« Reply #34 on: July 01, 2008, 12:05:59 PM »

Religion is just a misconception in my opinion.
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« Reply #35 on: July 01, 2008, 01:12:24 PM »

Well that's fine for you to have an opinion. But if you start telling people they're not allowed to worship a God or something then that's just as bad as someone coming round your house and telling you MUST worship a God.
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« Reply #36 on: July 01, 2008, 01:34:13 PM »

I agree..
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« Reply #37 on: July 01, 2008, 01:38:53 PM »

Well that's fine for you to have an opinion. But if you start telling people they're not allowed to worship a God or something then that's just as bad as someone coming round your house and telling you MUST worship a God.

I never said they could not or must not.... I just feel it's a waste of time and effort, in this case the agnostics may have the best idea Tongue
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« Reply #38 on: July 01, 2008, 01:55:38 PM »

I just feel it's a waste of time and effort

But don't you see that just that comment alone could break a person's spirit? As if to tell them that they've wasted their life and everything they believe in is silly. It's cruel. For you it might be a waste of time and effort but to others, they might see it as the best use of their time they could ever have.

Personally, I consider your eight hours on the train everyday to be a waste of time. Tongue Wink
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« Reply #39 on: July 01, 2008, 03:24:37 PM »

4 hours and I do some of my best sleeping and/or reading there.
I'm not at all sure that remark would break someones spirit though, if a single remark like that can bring about such changes that would mean that that faith was being questioned by them as well, or else they would have found me lacking in understanding and willing to pray for the salvation of my eternal soul.

Religion, or better the manner in which one experiences religion is highly personal and open for debate, but it's a debate without ending. They would keep trying to save me from myself and I would keep trying to save them from themselves.

I don't know if there are any truly religious people here on Noddegamra, we have heard that Nodde is surrounded by them on a daily base, but I've never seen anyone here post about there full fledged faith in Christ the saviour, or Buddha or Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva, Kali, or even the Spaghetti monster....

To each is own, in this case mine is none....
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« Reply #40 on: July 01, 2008, 03:44:51 PM »

To each is own

Entirely the most appropriate conclusion you could have come to.
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« Reply #41 on: July 01, 2008, 06:38:27 PM »

Lol, this is so funny how this changes from welcoming to religious discussions and beliefs.
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« Reply #42 on: July 01, 2008, 08:42:45 PM »

Lol, this is so funny how this changes from welcoming to religious discussions and beliefs.

the threads never stick to the subject start lol we all go off on one lol
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« Reply #43 on: July 02, 2008, 03:02:14 PM »

I noticed xD
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